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		<title>By: belledame222</title>
		<link>http://thenectarine.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/im-done-here/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>belledame222</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, this is fun.  Hey, Stormy, you know something: I&#039;ve been getting the very strong impression over the last...while, from various conversations here and there, that, well, how to put this delicately.  Can&#039;t do it.  Basically: that no one can stand your ass.  I don&#039;t mean as a &quot;radfem,&quot; obviously it goes without saying that no one who -isn&#039;t- in your little hivemind or environs sees you as anything more than a particularly loathsome crank; I mean, -within- your circles: that basically, no one -actually- can stand your ass.  You, personally, that is.

Which, I can&#039;t imagine why that would be?  what with your charming habit of interrogating and bullying people and your generally lovely demeanor; still, at this point, you know, I&#039;d think maybe you want to worry less about nectarine, and start worrying about, well...you.   

unless of course having people eventually get fed up with your bullshit and turn and render you the way you&#039;ve been doing them would just feed your sense of righteous martyrdom, in which case by all means, continue the way you&#039;ve been going.  No skin off -my- ass, heaven knows.  I&#039;ll just be over here with my pals and the popcorn, &#039;k?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, this is fun.  Hey, Stormy, you know something: I&#8217;ve been getting the very strong impression over the last&#8230;while, from various conversations here and there, that, well, how to put this delicately.  Can&#8217;t do it.  Basically: that no one can stand your ass.  I don&#8217;t mean as a &#8220;radfem,&#8221; obviously it goes without saying that no one who -isn&#8217;t- in your little hivemind or environs sees you as anything more than a particularly loathsome crank; I mean, -within- your circles: that basically, no one -actually- can stand your ass.  You, personally, that is.</p>
<p>Which, I can&#8217;t imagine why that would be?  what with your charming habit of interrogating and bullying people and your generally lovely demeanor; still, at this point, you know, I&#8217;d think maybe you want to worry less about nectarine, and start worrying about, well&#8230;you.   </p>
<p>unless of course having people eventually get fed up with your bullshit and turn and render you the way you&#8217;ve been doing them would just feed your sense of righteous martyrdom, in which case by all means, continue the way you&#8217;ve been going.  No skin off -my- ass, heaven knows.  I&#8217;ll just be over here with my pals and the popcorn, &#8216;k?</p>
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		<title>By: nectarine</title>
		<link>http://thenectarine.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/im-done-here/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>nectarine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay stormy, I made my old blog pubic again so everyone can see you are lying about me writing a critical post about anyone (not that i wouldnt have been well within my rights over the disgusting way you treated laura and Ren)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay stormy, I made my old blog pubic again so everyone can see you are lying about me writing a critical post about anyone (not that i wouldnt have been well within my rights over the disgusting way you treated laura and Ren)</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Harney</title>
		<link>http://thenectarine.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/im-done-here/#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Harney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hasn&#039;t stormy been known to &lt;a href=&quot;http://stormcloud.wordpress.com/2007/01/13/coda%e2%80%94so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the-fish/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hide blog posts in the past?&lt;/a&gt; I mean, sure, she reposted them &lt;em&gt;because they&#039;d already been immortalized by other people&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hasn&#8217;t stormy been known to <a href="http://stormcloud.wordpress.com/2007/01/13/coda%e2%80%94so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the-fish/" rel="nofollow">hide blog posts in the past?</a> I mean, sure, she reposted them <em>because they&#8217;d already been immortalized by other people</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Renegade Evolution</title>
		<link>http://thenectarine.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/im-done-here/#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>Renegade Evolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus Stormy...and you accuse other people of being bullies and not letting shit go?  For real?  Holy christ.  You are honestly un-fucking-believable.  And you want to talk about making shit up?  For real?  And talk about things that didn&#039;t happen?  Too fucking rich.  You are twice the shit-stirring-can&#039;t let anything go-trashes people everywhere-makes shit up to suit them type of gal that you Claim I am.  It really is fucking pathetic.

So, who you gonna terrorize and threaten now?  Philomela?  Someone else who has fled the fold?  Me?  Again...though I will say, I would advise against that.  Some other random person who really would just prefer it if you ceased to exisit in their personal little corner of the universe...I mean really...you show up here HOW many months later?  You can&#039;t seem to type a response on a blog without mentioning at least one of the people supposedly involved in that little treaty, spewing shit and making up some more to follow that...and then you say other people have no life?

Smirk.  Yeah, my &quot;supposedly manicured&quot; fingernails are flipping you off, right now, at this very moment!

And this?  &quot;Make sure you hide the evidence of your original attack by cloaking your blog so no one can see the evidence.&quot;  This coming from one of the dread collective hive queens of the deep, deep super secret bowels of genderberg where a bunch of lies (woo, marketing front) run rampant?  FUCKING PRICELESS!

It really would be funny if it wasn&#039;t so fucking sad, and, oh yeah, if it didn&#039;t shread all over the emotions of people who used to think you were a friend and ally....there&#039;s a life-experience I&#039;m glad I missed...I mean, it sounds a lot like having a mother who just loved to shame and was never satisfied...and yep, I sure as hell can&#039;t stop you from fucking around and bullying or attempting to &quot;slag off&quot; or intimidate some folk, but yep, I can observe it and keep a running commentary...after all, I&#039;ve been there first hand, seen how you work, and I&#039;m sure as hell not afraid or intimidated by you any more.

Oh, and if you do decide to threaten me again?  Well Stormy...it won&#039;t be pretty.  And that is not a threat, merely a fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus Stormy&#8230;and you accuse other people of being bullies and not letting shit go?  For real?  Holy christ.  You are honestly un-fucking-believable.  And you want to talk about making shit up?  For real?  And talk about things that didn&#8217;t happen?  Too fucking rich.  You are twice the shit-stirring-can&#8217;t let anything go-trashes people everywhere-makes shit up to suit them type of gal that you Claim I am.  It really is fucking pathetic.</p>
<p>So, who you gonna terrorize and threaten now?  Philomela?  Someone else who has fled the fold?  Me?  Again&#8230;though I will say, I would advise against that.  Some other random person who really would just prefer it if you ceased to exisit in their personal little corner of the universe&#8230;I mean really&#8230;you show up here HOW many months later?  You can&#8217;t seem to type a response on a blog without mentioning at least one of the people supposedly involved in that little treaty, spewing shit and making up some more to follow that&#8230;and then you say other people have no life?</p>
<p>Smirk.  Yeah, my &#8220;supposedly manicured&#8221; fingernails are flipping you off, right now, at this very moment!</p>
<p>And this?  &#8220;Make sure you hide the evidence of your original attack by cloaking your blog so no one can see the evidence.&#8221;  This coming from one of the dread collective hive queens of the deep, deep super secret bowels of genderberg where a bunch of lies (woo, marketing front) run rampant?  FUCKING PRICELESS!</p>
<p>It really would be funny if it wasn&#8217;t so fucking sad, and, oh yeah, if it didn&#8217;t shread all over the emotions of people who used to think you were a friend and ally&#8230;.there&#8217;s a life-experience I&#8217;m glad I missed&#8230;I mean, it sounds a lot like having a mother who just loved to shame and was never satisfied&#8230;and yep, I sure as hell can&#8217;t stop you from fucking around and bullying or attempting to &#8220;slag off&#8221; or intimidate some folk, but yep, I can observe it and keep a running commentary&#8230;after all, I&#8217;ve been there first hand, seen how you work, and I&#8217;m sure as hell not afraid or intimidated by you any more.</p>
<p>Oh, and if you do decide to threaten me again?  Well Stormy&#8230;it won&#8217;t be pretty.  And that is not a threat, merely a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: philomela</title>
		<link>http://thenectarine.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/im-done-here/#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>philomela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stormy seriously what the fuck are you wittering on about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stormy seriously what the fuck are you wittering on about?</p>
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		<title>By: stormy</title>
		<link>http://thenectarine.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/im-done-here/#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>stormy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a tested and reliable formula for creating narrowmindedness in people. Here it is:

1) Write a critical post about someone

2) Hang out and be best buddies with the bloggers trashing radfems - in a sustained war that lasted six months, but latterly just radbashing posts every day or two.

3) Make sure you hide the evidence of your original attack by cloaking your blog so no one can see the evidence.

4) Act really really really surprised when person mentioned in 1) recalls your name in relation to 1) and 2).

This formula is failsafe. Many have used it very successfully.

But you can also go the route of others:

5) Just make stuff up about person 1) that didn&#039;t happen, because it has become very fashionable to 1)-bash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a tested and reliable formula for creating narrowmindedness in people. Here it is:</p>
<p>1) Write a critical post about someone</p>
<p>2) Hang out and be best buddies with the bloggers trashing radfems &#8211; in a sustained war that lasted six months, but latterly just radbashing posts every day or two.</p>
<p>3) Make sure you hide the evidence of your original attack by cloaking your blog so no one can see the evidence.</p>
<p>4) Act really really really surprised when person mentioned in 1) recalls your name in relation to 1) and 2).</p>
<p>This formula is failsafe. Many have used it very successfully.</p>
<p>But you can also go the route of others:</p>
<p>5) Just make stuff up about person 1) that didn&#8217;t happen, because it has become very fashionable to 1)-bash.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://thenectarine.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/im-done-here/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I&#039;m sorry that you&#039;ve decided to stop blogging here. Silly person that I am, I only just checked your blog! Let me know where your new blog is, I would be interested in reading it. 

I know how you feel re. the comment stormcloud left at pisaquarisise&#039;s blog. It does seem that there is a lot of narrow mindedness with some people, and for this reason, I also feel frustrated and don&#039;t really know how to deal with it. It&#039;s difficult to move forward when you feel as if you can&#039;t express yourself openly on your blog because someone might say &#039;no, that&#039;s wrong&#039; or insult you personally, if you dare to question something. Anyway, I sympathise, although it does sound like there have been a lot of misunderstandings, from all sides, really. I&#039;m glad everyone seems to have worked things out, kinda xx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I&#8217;m sorry that you&#8217;ve decided to stop blogging here. Silly person that I am, I only just checked your blog! Let me know where your new blog is, I would be interested in reading it. </p>
<p>I know how you feel re. the comment stormcloud left at pisaquarisise&#8217;s blog. It does seem that there is a lot of narrow mindedness with some people, and for this reason, I also feel frustrated and don&#8217;t really know how to deal with it. It&#8217;s difficult to move forward when you feel as if you can&#8217;t express yourself openly on your blog because someone might say &#8216;no, that&#8217;s wrong&#8217; or insult you personally, if you dare to question something. Anyway, I sympathise, although it does sound like there have been a lot of misunderstandings, from all sides, really. I&#8217;m glad everyone seems to have worked things out, kinda xx</p>
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		<title>By: Daisy</title>
		<link>http://thenectarine.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/im-done-here/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>Daisy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 22:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so sorry, love.  If it makes you feel any better, I have over 30 years of activism under my belt, and I&#039;ve been repeatedly called all of those things, too.   Some of the people who said that to me weren&#039;t even born when I started in feminism, yet feel they can judge me.  

A community that has to rigidly enforce groupthink (like the 
USSR) is on its way OUT... eventually.   The fact that they have to be so ruthless in their enforcement, is a sign they know their authority is slipping.  The house of cards is falling, albeit slowly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so sorry, love.  If it makes you feel any better, I have over 30 years of activism under my belt, and I&#8217;ve been repeatedly called all of those things, too.   Some of the people who said that to me weren&#8217;t even born when I started in feminism, yet feel they can judge me.  </p>
<p>A community that has to rigidly enforce groupthink (like the<br />
USSR) is on its way OUT&#8230; eventually.   The fact that they have to be so ruthless in their enforcement, is a sign they know their authority is slipping.  The house of cards is falling, albeit slowly.</p>
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		<title>By: Zenobia</title>
		<link>http://thenectarine.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/im-done-here/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator>Zenobia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 00:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I would like to say in defense of my post about Million Women Rise, I was more expressing concerns about the way the event was being reported rather than the event itself. There&#039;s this atmosphere around big feminist events that you have to be completely positive about them and think &#039;yay, feminism happened!&#039;, and when someone had a less than satisfactory experience, it gets completely sidelined, whereas it&#039;s the kind of thing we should be learning from. 

Also, if the event was arranged by ethnic minority women&#039;s groups, then surely it&#039;s even worse that the photos in the reports are largely of white women and someone got called a black bitch. Still, Arantxa, you&#039;re probably right that I should have checked on that - considering people like Feminist Fightback and FAF were the ones debating over the manifesto, I assumed they were the main organisers. 

Still, I&#039;m kind of glad you guys called me out, because I was concerned about those things while writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I would like to say in defense of my post about Million Women Rise, I was more expressing concerns about the way the event was being reported rather than the event itself. There&#8217;s this atmosphere around big feminist events that you have to be completely positive about them and think &#8216;yay, feminism happened!&#8217;, and when someone had a less than satisfactory experience, it gets completely sidelined, whereas it&#8217;s the kind of thing we should be learning from. </p>
<p>Also, if the event was arranged by ethnic minority women&#8217;s groups, then surely it&#8217;s even worse that the photos in the reports are largely of white women and someone got called a black bitch. Still, Arantxa, you&#8217;re probably right that I should have checked on that &#8211; considering people like Feminist Fightback and FAF were the ones debating over the manifesto, I assumed they were the main organisers. </p>
<p>Still, I&#8217;m kind of glad you guys called me out, because I was concerned about those things while writing.</p>
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		<title>By: v</title>
		<link>http://thenectarine.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/im-done-here/#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 16:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zenobia - i just want to say that i accept your explanation up there, and your apology, and im glad we&#039;ve talked it out really.

i dont think everyone is having a go at you, so much as (I and arantxa) are expressing exasperation with the generalisations youve been promoting, and pointing out how some of the stuff youve said has really been unhelpful, or even misleading and erasing.  its not like youre the first or only person who has ever done that, and i wouldnt have even bothered to comment on it if i didnt think that you might be the sort of person who would listen and talk the problem out.  im feeling good and positive that you have listened, and also that you explained a bit how you also have felt patronised and marginalised, i think that gives us something to ally over, rather than be in opposition.  

so, no grudges held, from my end, i hope that we&#039;re alright with each other.

on this thread - would it be possible for everyone involved to please avoid saying anything personal, making any personal attacks, on anyone else?  nectarine has said she is away for a few days and i doubt very much she needs the stress of coming back and having to wade through a bunch of nasty stuff here.  actually i think we could all do without the stress of gratuitous hostility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zenobia &#8211; i just want to say that i accept your explanation up there, and your apology, and im glad we&#8217;ve talked it out really.</p>
<p>i dont think everyone is having a go at you, so much as (I and arantxa) are expressing exasperation with the generalisations youve been promoting, and pointing out how some of the stuff youve said has really been unhelpful, or even misleading and erasing.  its not like youre the first or only person who has ever done that, and i wouldnt have even bothered to comment on it if i didnt think that you might be the sort of person who would listen and talk the problem out.  im feeling good and positive that you have listened, and also that you explained a bit how you also have felt patronised and marginalised, i think that gives us something to ally over, rather than be in opposition.  </p>
<p>so, no grudges held, from my end, i hope that we&#8217;re alright with each other.</p>
<p>on this thread &#8211; would it be possible for everyone involved to please avoid saying anything personal, making any personal attacks, on anyone else?  nectarine has said she is away for a few days and i doubt very much she needs the stress of coming back and having to wade through a bunch of nasty stuff here.  actually i think we could all do without the stress of gratuitous hostility.</p>
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