Comments on: Thoughts on the abortion rights demo

By: vibracobra

vibracobra — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:25:28 +0000

About the word ‘fuck’ (although I thought at first the f-word being objected to was ‘feminism’), it might interest you to know that it comes from an old norse word that was chanted when raising the sails of the boat. It has the current meaning because raising sails involved a lot of pushing and pulling.

Hence, ’sailor talk’.

I’ll let you enjoy the mental image, for a moment, of a group of Nordic men chanting the word ‘fuck!’ while raising a sail, then ask you, what the hell is wrong with using that word? It just refers to the sex act these days anyway, which is hardly a bad thing.

By: vibracobra

vibracobra — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:31:04 +0000

Anna,

I’m not sure I’m prepared to take suggestions that my English is less than competent from someone who tells me stuff like ‘I saw you long bit’. In fact it’s a bit scary. Are you coming on to me? Please, I’m English! (Well, partly, anyway).

I also don’t know why you think I’m against old people, that’s in fact the exact opposite of what I’ve been arguing from the beginning of this whole sordid affair.

As for men being superior to women in some respects, bah, can’t be bothered to answer that one.

As for the nuclear family being some kind of ideal for bringing up kids, that’s a bit ridiculous considering the idea of what family is varies so much from county to county within the UK, let alone within different countries.

Besides, if having one father is so great, surely having five of them should be absolutely amazing!

By: nectarine

nectarine — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:25:58 +0000

Anna

men are not superior to women, because superior means better than, and men are not better than women.Thats kind of the point of feminism.

I’m also really not comfortable with the undertone of your argument that viacobra doesnt understand the argument because its a langauge issue, I dont know viacobras natonality status but I do know she is both fluent and articulate in both french and english (in fact much more articulate in writen english than I am even though English is the only languge I speak)

I really dont understand the argument that only men use the “F” word,(i presume the word you are criticising is “fucking”) Why do you think only men use that word? have you really never heard a woman swear? Why shouldnt women use that word?

I dont even understand why you think viacobra is against old people, nothing she says sugests that.

I also think this do you drag in old dead people like funi..something is really disrespectfull,
her name is Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti if you couldnt remember how to spell it you could have copied and pasted it and if you never heard of her before viacobra tells you right in her post what she did.

Knowing our feminist history is important in understanding what is happening to society now. If it hadnt been for the sufferagets we wouldnt have the vote, how is that not important to us now.

Why does it matter how many fathers a womans children have? And I dont know why you are bringing fathers into this anyway, where does this come from? women are perfectly capable of bringing children up without men. And often it is the fathers fault that his children dont see him because he is abusive or neglectfull. Also fathers are much more likely tp physicaly and sexualy abuse children than mothers are. I dont consider the nuclear family the best way to bring up children anyway.

I’m putting you back on moderated status because I am starting to feel you are being deliberatly dismissive and disrespectfull

By: Anna

Anna — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:24:40 +0000

Sorry Vibes and Nectarine, I dont mean to be misunderstood. All I am trying to say is men are superior to us in some things and we are superior in some other ways. Thats why we cant be equal in everything, That dont mean we to say we havent got rights like them which is what I stand for. I could not understand what are alien overlords in mind the gap? Then there is the French lingo. You said you arrived in the uk , are you French? You complain about saying ‘Sisters’ and the word codger. But you use a disgusting F word which I thought only men use? I saw you long bit in the other link but what I cant understand is if you are so against old people why do you drag in old dead people like funi..something and Sylvia Pankhurst? They are no good to us now. All I want to say is, we ought to think about what is happening to our society and women NOW. There is the news of this woman whose poor daughter has gone missing and she has had seven children by five different men! Is this femininism? What will happen to our families without fathers?

By: nectarine

nectarine — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:52:17 +0000

Anna
I dont even understand your comment? are you suggesting that its rightfull for men to be superior to women? what! thats the anthitesis of feminism.

Hummazul

I couldn’t find alot onthe witchita situation in 1992 but I did find a bit and In that situation I understand why they used the chant. If it came to a situation here where pro lifers were stopping women going into have abortions then yes I would be as agressive as nesacary to help those women, but the demo was out side a church and the people going in to listen were not activly stopping women having abortions.

By: vibracobra

vibracobra — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:33:36 +0000

I agree with you vibra … We need to keep calm as many of us accept that a man should be head of the home and guide us in our main role of wife and mother.

Er, thanks but no thanks! That’s clearly not my position at all. Is it possible to be pro-choice, yet anti- the methods used at this particular protest? What permission slip do I have to sign?

I think the French saying ‘Faut pas pousser meme dans les orties’ (‘Let’s not push Grandma into the nettles’) is becoming very relevant to this discussion.

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Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:29:45 +0000

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By: Gwyn

Gwyn — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:47:27 +0000

Whaaat?? Whats all that about from Anna? Could you repeat that last bit so I can be sure I’m not seeing things?

By: anna

anna — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:43:43 +0000

I agree with you vibra about old people. I have to say I got into Westminster Hall (but got chucked out) and was suprised to see so many young women and men in there. We dont need to worry about this bill though as the government with all our feminists in the commons are 100% behind it. They wont tolerate anyone using their so called ‘conscience’ either as there is a full whip on. Evan Harris, a man,(‘Dr Death’) will also be their supporting us. We need to keep calm as many of us accept that a man should be head of the home and guide us in our main role of wife and mother.

By: vibracobra

vibracobra — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:16:52 +0000

Sisters, Becky is right. Women have always used men. Dont suggest it is wrong to use them for our purposes. I was at the London demo watching the sad procession of old people going in. You will never change their minds by ‘dialogue’. Did we get where we were by not taking direct action? No! We must attack these revisionists in every way we can. The word ‘codger’ is no worse than ‘wife’. Our muslim sisters are even prepared to be martyrs for freedom and we worry about a few has-beens getting hurt? If they were going to a ‘harmless’ meeting, why were we wasting our time there?

Oh for pete’s sake.

If we start pushing old people around now, when there’s no threat whatsoever to our freedoms, what are we going to do when the law actually goes through parliament (which it won’t)?

And ‘using men’? How about working with them, without any interdependency?

I’m sure we all wish we’d been in all those cool photos of protests years ago, but there’s no need to start a re-enactment society now, is there?